Friday, February 25, 2011

Re: [android-developers] Re: GOOGLE TO BAN PAYPAL?!

Well, that's more of a automatic recurring payment model.  
With the subscription model, you can sell 'subscriptions' to your content feeds.  (days, months, etc.)
True, you have to present the user with a dialog when they wish to renew, but it is supported to some degree and not against the TOS.
However, automatic recurring payments is something different and not allowed because you would need to collect CC info yourself. 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Zsolt Vasvari <zvasvari@gmail.com> wrote:
The subscription model means that keep charging the user without their
explicit instruction.  You cannot do that, you must present the user
interface for the in-app billing system.

On Feb 26, 1:49 pm, Miguel Morales <therevolti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, according to the in-app billing:http://developer.android.com/guide/market/billing/billing_admin.html#...
> They have an option for unmanaged items and give you the option to handle
> unmanaged items yourself.
> So, since you're not breaking the TOS by handling payments in your app.  You
> can implement a subscription model by using your own management server for
> these items.
> Another thread about this:http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa...
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:53 PM, rich friedel <rich.frie...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > unless your special like Slacker Radio and run the subscription through the
> > carrier!
>
> > i personally dont agree with that double standard...
> > On Feb 25, 2011 10:28 PM, "Zsolt Vasvari" <zvasv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In-app billing doesn't support the subscriptions model:
>
> >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe...
>
> > > So, yes, I'd say if you are selling an app with subscriptions, you are
> > > violating the TOS and your app is subject to removal.
>
> > > On Feb 26, 10:36 am, davemac <davemac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Google announced in-app billing. Seehttp://
> > developer.android.com/guide/market/billing/index.html.
>
> > >> - dave
>
> > >> On Feb 25, 9:26 pm, rich friedel <rich.frie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > didn't they just do an update to the market which allows in-app
> > billing?
> > >> > On Feb 25, 2011 9:16 PM, "HeyYouThere" <newsome...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > Thank you for your reply. Here's what I don't understand:
>
> > >> > > Lookout - They have you enter your payment information directly into
> > >> > > the app -- taking a credit card payment for their subscription
> > service
>
> > >> > > Google does not support this yet in the market...So do you think I
> > am
> > >> > > SOL?
>
> > >> > > On Feb 25, 7:39 pm, Zsolt Vasvari <zvasv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >> I am no lawyer, but AFAIK you CANNOT take any 3rd party payments in
> > an
> > >> > >> app marketed through the Google Android Market.  This is not
> > against
> > >> > >> PayPal per se and it's fair otherwise what would stop you from
> > >> > >> offering a "free" app and then charge the user outside of the
> > Market,
> > >> > >> thus not giving Google their 30% cut?   Of course, as opposed to
> > >> > >> Apple, you have the option to sell your app on your own or on
> > >> > >> alternate markets and do whatever you want.
>
> > >> > >> If you have a subscription tied into your app, and you are not
> > giving
> > >> > >> Google their cut, you could certainly wake up one morning and find
> > >> > >> your app pulled -- and rightly so.
>
> > >> > >> On Feb 25, 2:53 pm, HeyYouThere <newsome...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > >> > Well,
>
> > >> > >> > I am a developer and I understand that you guys have this thing
> > lately
> > >> > >> > where you will randomly pull apps...Even ones that have been
> > there
> > >> > >> > since Genesis 1:1.
>
> > >> > >> > Anywho, I have a subscription tied into my app, and I am
> > wondering, IF
> > >> > >> > I WILL WAKE UP AND FIND MY SUPENDED PULLED BECAUSE I USE THE
> > PAYPAL
> > >> > >> > ANDROID API FOR SUBSCRIPTION PAYMENTS?
>
> > >> > >> > Quote:
> > >> > >> > ========================================
> > >> > >> > 3.3 You may also choose to distribute Products for free. If the
> > >> > >> > Product is free, you will not be charged a Transaction Fee. You
> > may
> > >> > >> > not collect future charges from users for copies of the Products
> > that
> > >> > >> > those users were initially allowed to download for free. This is
> > not
> > >> > >> > intended to prevent distribution of free trial versions of the
> > Product
> > >> > >> > with an "upsell" option to obtain the full version of the
> > Product:
> > >> > >> > Such free trials for Products are encouraged. However, if you
> > want to
> > >> > >> > collect fees after the free trial expires, you must collect all
> > fees
> > >> > >> > for the full version of the Product through the Payment Processor
> > on
> > >> > >> > the Market. In this Agreement, "free" means there are no charges
> > or
> > >> > >> > fees of any kind for use of the Product. All fees received by
> > >> > >> > Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be
> > processed
> > >> > >> > by the Market's Payment Processor.
> > >> > >> > ===========================================
>
> > >> > >> > Now while this IS clearly written, an app called Visual Voicemail
> > was
> > >> > >> > pulled after two years of being on the market...500k + downloads,
> > 10k+
> > >> > >> > ratings, and a high ranking, and all that -- they sold additional
> > >> > >> > addons thru their site I believe.
>
> > >> > >> > So I am confused, and since Google support seems to only respond
> > every
> > >> > >> > lunar eclipse, I have to post this question here. Anyone with any
> > >> > >> > info, please do share.
>
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