Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Re: [android-developers] Re: Looking for Google feedback regarding the new Google Play Developer Program Policies and how they plan to deal with cases of Rogue ads (read Porn)

What exactly is your app?



On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:04:54 PM UTC-4, jeka wrote:
Dude, no offense, but have you even read my post?

Like I said: "... I've never seen one!", this is based purely on user feedback.

Yes, I reported it. Again, like I said: "They all said the same thing - we don't allow porn on our network(s)." So, there is not much else I can do to report it...

No, I'm not speculating, the users have been pretty clear about what they see, some even sent links to the porn site landing pages, however, and I repeat, none of the networks would admit to it.

The thing is, like I said in the original post, I'm pretty sure they all say the truth - they don't allow porn. The thing is that whichever netwok it is coming from, probably doesn't know it originates from them. I was able to generate similar behavior in my own tests... - show an arbitrary page full screen while having an innocently looking banner and bypassing detection. I had it coming from my own server, of course, so I can't say if it would actually work coming from an ad network, but I'm sure the "bad guys" are using a similar mechanism.

So, to summarize: it is possible to show prohibited content to the user while bypassing detection from the ad networks. 

I only hope Google is not going to hold this against the developer without investigating.


On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:35:01 PM UTC-4, Kristopher Micinski wrote:
Have you seen any which display inapprorpiate ads?

It is extremely unprofessional for a network to allow this, since it
is out of your control and clearly violates Google's terms of use, if
you see a network which does, please report it here and people can
write the network and tell them to stop, or developers will quit using
their service.

Read another way: the network has economic incentive to control the
ads they provide to comply with Google Play rules.  If they don't you
should dump the network and go with another, and if many people do
this the network will either die or change their policies to make this
work...

Your initial post was unclear, but have you reported for this, or are
you just speculating?  I agree it's a problem.

kris

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:28 PM, jeka <jro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Like I said, I'm using multiple ad networks and none of them would admit the
> offensive content came from them. So, who would you recommend I "put
> pressure" on?
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 2:10:29 PM UTC-4, Kristopher Micinski wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been aware of any services that show ads containing
>> irresponsible material..
>>
>> if they do, you should put pressure on the develops of those systems,
>> in a public way.
>>
>> kris
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM, xucaen  wrote:
>> > I am new to Android development, but I was under the impression that you
>> > should be using Google Ads, and they guarantee there will be no porn
>> > adds
>> > from Google Ads. If you use some other Ads service, you would need to
>> > check
>> > with them and see if they show porn ads. If they do, stop using them,
>> > otherwise you are responsible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, August 6, 2012 1:28:19 PM UTC-4, jeka wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello. The way I read this section in the Google Play Developer Program
>> >> Policies (GPDPP):
>> >>
>> >> In general, ads are considered part of your app for purposes of content
>> >> review and compliance with the Developer Terms. Therefore all of the
>> >> policies, including those concerning illegal activities, violence,
>> >> sexually
>> >> explicit content, and privacy violations, apply. Please take care to
>> >> use
>> >> advertising which does not violate these policies.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ads which are inconsistent with the app's content rating also violate
>> >> our
>> >> Developer Terms.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In combination with
>> >>
>> >> Sexually Explicit Material: We don't allow content that contains
>> >> nudity,
>> >> graphic sex acts, or sexually explicit material. Google has a
>> >> zero-tolerance
>> >> policy against child pornography. If we become aware of content with
>> >> child
>> >> pornography, we will report it to the appropriate authorities and
>> >> delete the
>> >> Google Accounts of those involved with the distribution.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is that should there appear a pornographic ad in the application, the
>> >> Google Play team will hold the developer responsible up to the point of
>> >> terminating the entire developer account.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Now here is the problem: most of us developers have no control over
>> >> what
>> >> ads appear in the apps we create. Sure, we decide which ad networks to
>> >> include, and may even be able to control ad types to some degree, but
>> >> given
>> >> a fairly large application with even a couple hundred thousand ad
>> >> impressions per day utilizing multiple ad networks through an ad
>> >> aggregator
>> >> makes the task of controlling this virtually impossible.
>> >>
>> >> I speak (write) from a personal experience. I've had users complain in
>> >> the
>> >> past about pornographic ads popping up out of "nowhere" without any
>> >> user
>> >> interaction. The thing is, the app in question only shows banner and
>> >> requires at least a user touch to launch whatever it is the ad is
>> >> pointing
>> >> to. Not to mention that all the ads came from respectable networks /
>> >> aggregators such as AdMob, Millennial, Greystripe, Mobclix and Mopub.
>> >> They
>> >> all said the same thing - we don't allow porn on our network(s). And
>> >> yet
>> >> there it was. It wasn't happening often enough to just be able to start
>> >> an
>> >> app and see it for myself. In fact, I've never seen one!
>> >>
>> >> In trying to fight this I wanted to see if I could reproduce this
>> >> behavior
>> >> myself. And yes, I can. I won't go into the details as to not give
>> >> anybody
>> >> the wrong ideas, but the bottom line is this:
>> >>
>> >> It is possible to load a completely innocently looking banner, which
>> >> will
>> >> then open any (ANY!) site on its own, without any user interaction.
>> >> This
>> >> will avoid detection at the ad network level. And, if it shows porn to
>> >> specific users / locations / IPs / etc, chances are the developer will
>> >> never
>> >> see it as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So, here is a very important question to Googe. If something like that
>> >> happens - a malicious ad, that happens to bypass content control at the
>> >> ad
>> >> network, makes it into an app and the users start complaining - will
>> >> you
>> >> hold the developer responsible and just pull the account or will you
>> >> work
>> >> with the developer in trying to identify the offending ads / networks
>> >> and
>> >> resolve the situation?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >
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