explanations. Plain and simple. There is literally no way of knowing
if what I do for my local users to be able to buy will result in the
app being pulled without notice.
I do sell. But with the slowness of market penetration, I have
registered a company in another country to be able to sell.(I am
fortunate that I can register a company in another country with ease)
I can sell easily, but I cannot buy anything...
By the looks of it there is no "developer relations" people in the
market team whatsoever. And the developers are the ones that make the
market something valuable.
On 26 фев, 17:26, rich friedel <rich.frie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So then how does all of this apply to you?
>
> According to what you just said your application isn't even being sold on
> the market thus you need not worry about it being removed for going through
> a third-party vendor or accepting payment without including Google in the
> process.
>
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:47 AM, JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin) <
>
> jalex...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would say it's not only the 30%, but the fact that Google is too
> > slow in implementing app sales globally.
> > I am not aware how hard it is to do it globally, but it is not hard to
> > implement app sales within Europe.(I've actually had a lot of informal
> > discussion with the best accounting lawyers and accountants in several
> > countries)
>
> > I live in one of the smaller countries in EU and I don't expect to be
> > able to sell or even buy apps for a long time on the AM. And that
> > annoys me a lot!
>
> > So reading the market agreement, I have to go through all sort of
> > hoops just to earn anything on the AM. And for buying stuff I have to
> > get a SIM from another country.
> > And they wonder why some people say that Android is not easy to use...
>
> > On 26 фев, 08:24, HeyYouThere <newsome...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So as of right now, the major app lookout is subject to removal -- but
> > > won't be removed because Google selectively enforces it's TOS. They
> > > collect your CC directly into the application. I'm not trying to rag
> > > on them, but the facts, are facts.
>
> > > Since using PayPal would probably just get the app removed once google
> > > realized they weren't getting their 30% -- Is it a violation to to use
> > > the google checkout web api for subscriptions-- building that into the
> > > app?
>
> > > Thanks everyone for taking the time to try and help me with this. It's
> > > an absolute shame we have NO OFFICIAL SUPPORT to direct these
> > > questions toward.
>
> > > On Feb 25, 9:53 pm, rich friedel <rich.frie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > unless your special like Slacker Radio and run the subscription through
> > the
> > > > carrier!
>
> > > > i personally dont agree with that double standard...
> > > > On Feb 25, 2011 10:28 PM, "Zsolt Vasvari" <zvasv...@gmail.com> wrote:>
> > In-app billing doesn't support the subscriptions model:
>
> > > >http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answe.
> > ..
>
> > > > > So, yes, I'd say if you are selling an app with subscriptions, you
> > are
> > > > > violating the TOS and your app is subject to removal.
>
> > > > > On Feb 26, 10:36 am, davemac <davemac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Google announced in-app billing. Seehttp://
>
> > > > developer.android.com/guide/market/billing/index.html.
>
> > > > >> - dave
>
> > > > >> On Feb 25, 9:26 pm, rich friedel <rich.frie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > didn't they just do an update to the market which allows in-app
> > > > billing?
> > > > >> > On Feb 25, 2011 9:16 PM, "HeyYouThere" <newsome...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > Thank you for your reply. Here's what I don't understand:
>
> > > > >> > > Lookout - They have you enter your payment information directly
> > into
> > > > >> > > the app -- taking a credit card payment for their subscription
> > > > service
>
> > > > >> > > Google does not support this yet in the market...So do you think
> > I am
> > > > >> > > SOL?
>
> > > > >> > > On Feb 25, 7:39 pm, Zsolt Vasvari <zvasv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > >> I am no lawyer, but AFAIK you CANNOT take any 3rd party
> > payments in
> > > > an
> > > > >> > >> app marketed through the Google Android Market. This is not
> > against
> > > > >> > >> PayPal per se and it's fair otherwise what would stop you from
> > > > >> > >> offering a "free" app and then charge the user outside of the
> > > > Market,
> > > > >> > >> thus not giving Google their 30% cut? Of course, as opposed
> > to
> > > > >> > >> Apple, you have the option to sell your app on your own or on
> > > > >> > >> alternate markets and do whatever you want.
>
> > > > >> > >> If you have a subscription tied into your app, and you are not
> > > > giving
> > > > >> > >> Google their cut, you could certainly wake up one morning and
> > find
> > > > >> > >> your app pulled -- and rightly so.
>
> > > > >> > >> On Feb 25, 2:53 pm, HeyYouThere <newsome...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > >> > Well,
>
> > > > >> > >> > I am a developer and I understand that you guys have this
> > thing
> > > > lately
> > > > >> > >> > where you will randomly pull apps...Even ones that have been
> > there
> > > > >> > >> > since Genesis 1:1.
>
> > > > >> > >> > Anywho, I have a subscription tied into my app, and I am
> > > > wondering, IF
> > > > >> > >> > I WILL WAKE UP AND FIND MY SUPENDED PULLED BECAUSE I USE THE
> > > > PAYPAL
> > > > >> > >> > ANDROID API FOR SUBSCRIPTION PAYMENTS?
>
> > > > >> > >> > Quote:
> > > > >> > >> > ========================================
> > > > >> > >> > 3.3 You may also choose to distribute Products for free. If
> > the
> > > > >> > >> > Product is free, you will not be charged a Transaction Fee.
> > You
> > > > may
> > > > >> > >> > not collect future charges from users for copies of the
> > Products
> > > > that
> > > > >> > >> > those users were initially allowed to download for free. This
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > >> > >> > intended to prevent distribution of free trial versions of
> > the
> > > > Product
> > > > >> > >> > with an "upsell" option to obtain the full version of the
> > Product:
> > > > >> > >> > Such free trials for Products are encouraged. However, if you
> > want
> > > > to
> > > > >> > >> > collect fees after the free trial expires, you must collect
> > all
> > > > fees
> > > > >> > >> > for the full version of the Product through the Payment
> > Processor
> > > > on
> > > > >> > >> > the Market. In this Agreement, "free" means there are no
> > charges
> > > > or
> > > > >> > >> > fees of any kind for use of the Product. All fees received by
> > > > >> > >> > Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be
> > > > processed
> > > > >> > >> > by the Market's Payment Processor.
> > > > >> > >> > ===========================================
>
> > > > >> > >> > Now while this IS clearly written, an app called Visual
> > Voicemail
> > > > was
> > > > >> > >> > pulled after two years of being on the market...500k +
> > downloads,
> > > > 10k+
> > > > >> > >> > ratings, and a high ranking, and all that -- they sold
> > additional
> > > > >> > >> > addons thru their site I believe.
>
> > > > >> > >> > So I am confused, and since Google support seems to only
> > respond
> > > > every
> > > > >> > >> > lunar eclipse, I have to post this question here. Anyone with
> > any
> > > > >> > >> > info, please do share.
>
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