gcstang <
gcstang@gmail.com> wrote:
>If it wasn't for a task killer my phone wouldn't last a day ....mine
>as well be tethered to the wall.
>
>On Jul 31, 1:31 am, Dianne Hackborn <
hack...@android.com> wrote:
>> You don't need task killers. Some people like them, and who I am I to argue
>> with what people like? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mystique <
joven.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > One question, not sure whether it is related.
>> > Since Android manage task and application automatically and terminate
>> > if necessary why do we need application like Advance Task Killer?
>> > Isn't it redundant? I understand why Android was design this way, to
>> > help speed up application and extra memory if not needed is just waste
>> > so I rather have my app ready in the background and let Android decide
>> > whether to close it.
>>
>> > Back to qns, why do we need ATK??? I have it install but I do not use
>> > it anymore and doesn't seems to make a different.
>>
>> > On Jul 31, 6:38 am, Eric F <
ericfrie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Yeah this is exactly what I thought too. Just because non-technical
>> > > people download task killers from the market doesn't mean that task
>> > > killers are necessary. In my opinion it is way more likely that the
>> > > explanation is that people are just very bad at shifting their way of
>> > > thinking from paradigm to paradigm.
>>
>> > > And it also made me think of the windows tuner programs. I've noticed
>> > > a trend in the way people think these days. I call it the do-nothing
>> > > dilemma. We are incapable of doing nothing these days. What I mean is,
>> > > when we look at a problem we instantly act for the "solution". Because
>> > > we are so advanced these days that we are just used to things being
>> > > already solved somewhere by someone, somehow. I am only 30, but I
>> > > suspect that people living in the 1920s had more of a grin and bear it
>> > > mentality ("man up") when it came to problems and hardship.
>>
>> > > Now, whether it's a kid hurting him/herself on a swing and people
>> > > needing to "Do Something", banning swingsets from all playgrounds. Or
>> > > a cellphone chugging along while syncing contacts, people don't think
>> > > "huh, my cell phone is not as quick as I want it. Oh well I'll just
>> > > deal, it's still a great phone and I'm sure in the future we'll have
>> > > faster phones that don't slow down". They think "Wow, surely there
>> > > must be someone to blame for this and someone with the fix. Oh here
>> > > this task killer allows me to solve my problem". Soon they are
>> > > probably having more problems than they started, but they don't care
>> > > because now everytime they get disgruntled they can "do something"
>> > > about it. And nobody wants to admit that they are administrating
>> > > themselves placebos, so feeling like it *is* a valid solution is self
>> > > reinforcing.
>>
>> > > That was a bit long winded. But I agree with Kostya, I don' think
>> > > people downloading task killers from the marketplace show a deficiency
>> > > in the OS. Only a deficiency in the way people adapt to new things.
>>
>> > > Obviously the pre-bundled apps that can't be uninstalled are a huge
>> > > problem. task killers not really being a good solution there, the real
>> > > solution is root -> uninstall. Hopefully Google will be able to nudge
>> > > companies in the right direction. I doubt we'll ever be in a crapware
>> > > free world, but perhaps they can be convinced to make crapware
>> > > uninstallable.
>>
>> > > -E
>>
>> > > On Jul 30, 1:33 pm, Kostya Vasilyev <
kmans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Technical details aside, I think it's just human nature.
>>
>> > > > Some percentage of users just have a strong desire to have something
>> > > > "magical" that *supposedly* makes their device (Android phone or
>> > desktop
>> > > > OS) work much better.
>>
>> > > > Remember - there used to be all kinds of memory optimizers for Windows?
>> > > > Also registry cleaners, various "tweak" and "tune-up" utilities, etc.
>> > > > etc. etc. No-one is saying that Windows (or any other OS :) is perfect,
>> > > > but these apps promise much more than they actually do, and sometimes
>> > > > cause harm.
>>
>> > > > There is also a whole subculture of users who root and flash their
>> > > > phones - I am convinced most do it because it addresses some
>> > > > psychological need, more than anything else.
>>
>> > > > So personally, I am quite happy to see that Google is starting to limit
>> > > > what task killers can do. I believe interfering with the platform's
>> > core
>> > > > functionality is definitely a bad thing.
>>
>> > > > I have enough bugs in my code to have to deal with someone else's.
>>
>> > > > -- Kostya
>>
>> > > > 31.07.2010 0:08, Indicator Veritatis пишет:
>>
>> > > > > A good article. A little harsh on the OP, but even so, a good
>> > article.
>>
>> > > > > After all: given that that IS the design of Android, that
>> > Applications
>> > > > > should not quit, but leave termination up to the OS, the article
>> > makes
>> > > > > its case well, even elegantly.
>>
>> > > > > But I cannot help but notice: after Android did all that hard work of
>> > > > > designing the whole system to work that way, what does the market say
>> > > > > about it? The presence of so many "Task Managers" for Android seems
>> > to
>> > > > > imply that the Market does NOT agree with this paradigm.
>>
>> > > > > Nor would that conclusion really surprise me, since it is a basic
>> > > > > expectation, almost an instinct, even predating computers: if it
>> > > > > doesn't work, you want to hit Reset, or power-cycle the device, and
>> > > > > you expect that it will be in a known good state (note the
>> > terminology
>> > > > > reminiscent of s certain OS with its "last known good"). Exiting an
>> > > > > application is the software-analog of shutting the power off: you
>> > > > > expect that the next time you enter, you get a clean slate.
>>
>> > > > > True, WebOS doesn't work that way either, and Android's way is a new
>> > > > > trend. But I don't see the market approving this in WebOS either --
>> > > > > even if it does like it better than Palm's previous OS, Palm OS. For
>> > > > > Palm OS was ugly.
>>
>> > > > > Besides: despite all the claims otherwise ("just let the system do
>> > > > > it"), I _have_ come across circumstances when I really do want to
>> > just
>> > > > > exit everything to get the phone to behave again. Surely I am not
>> > > > > alone, which is why people download the Task Managers for Android.
>>
>> > > > > On Jul 30, 10:39 am, Mark Murphy<
mmur...@commonsware.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:13 AM, RamaMohan<
rama.mohan...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > > >>> HI all,
>> > > > >>> I s there any way to kill the entire application at once.Not using
>> > > > >>> with finish() or system.exit() ..all these two will kill the
>> > > > >>> activity ,but not the appication.
>> > > > >>> Is there any way to kill the entire application from any
>> > > > >>> activity .
>>
>> >
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2033914/quitting-an-application-is...
>>
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)
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>> >
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>> > > > >> _Android Programming Tutorials_ Version 2.9 Available!
>>
>> > > > --
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>> >
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